On this insightful episode of our technology-focused podcast, host Antony Savvas, Worldwide Know-how Editor, delves into the evolving panorama of the Web of Issues (IoT) and Synthetic Intelligence (AI) with trade professional Gabriel Salvate from BICS. They discover the idea of ‘connectivity twins’ and its pivotal position in environment friendly operations inside numerous sectors. Gabriel sheds gentle on the combination of AI and information analytics in IoT, reworking mundane objects into good, interconnected techniques. Plus, get a glimpse into the long run with a dialogue on Amazon’s modern drone supply system. 

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[00:00:00] Antony Savvas: Hello, welcome to our newest Web of Issues and communication providers podcast. That is Antony Savvas, Worldwide Know-how Editor, accompanied by a definite trade visitor. Right this moment, the primary matter we’re speaking about is the environment friendly operations round connectivity twins. We’ll even be speaking about one other key improvement within the communication trade, and we’ll end our dialogue with some gentle hearted trade information that has surfaced.

Right this moment’s podcast is sponsored by BICS. BICS was established almost 20 years in the past, and it gives communication service suppliers and enterprises with quick access to digital communications, trusted fraud prevention, and analytics, together with IoT and 5G international connectivity. It has headquarters in Europe and groups all around the world.

That’s BICS.com. Once more, I’m Antony Savvas. I’ve been overlaying the networking in telecom area repeatedly for the final 25 years, working as a author and editor for main worldwide know-how magazines and web sites. I’m presently a contributing editor for each IoT Now and communications service supplier title Vanilla Plus, a sister title of IoT Now.

My visitor at the moment is Gabriel Salvate from BICS. So Gabriel, what’s your job at BICS and what do you do there?

[00:01:29] Gabriel Salvate: Good day, Antony. Thanks very a lot for inviting me for the session.

[00:01:34] Antony Savvas: It’s a pleasure.

[00:01:35] Gabriel Salvate: I’m a senior supervisor centered on the IoT journey mobility and cellular non-public community at BICS. I’ve been working on this market since 2008. And it’s going to be a pleasure to speak with you at the moment.

[00:01:50] Antony Savvas: Okay, proper. So getting on to nearly, nicely, 16 years that can be quickly, received’t it, Gabriel?

[00:01:56] Gabriel Salvate: That’s right.

[00:01:57] Antony Savvas: Okay. Earlier than we go on to our predominant matter of the day, discussing the connectivity twin, we’ll discuss one thing else. Gabriel, I perceive you need to discuss scaling the IoT worth chain with AI and information analytics.

Earlier than I ask you a few questions, I’ll simply put folks within the loop who don’t know an excessive amount of about this. AI and information analytics unlock beneficial insights from the huge information generated from IoT gadgets, enabling information pushed resolution making. So, Gabriel, how are these techniques to undertake, and might extra be carried out to permit their deployment?

[00:02:32] Gabriel Salvate: That’s an excellent query. However earlier than I’ll begin answering this one let’s simply go rapidly to predominant ideas of IoT and AI.

[00:02:41] Antony Savvas: That’s truthful sufficient, Gabriel, yeah.

[00:02:43] Gabriel Salvate: I wish to say that IoT is about turning common objects into good objects by giving them the flexibility to speak with one another and with us.

And naturally, IoT it’s not a product, not an answer. IoT is an ecosystem. There are some research concerning the amount of layers it might have, however I’d say there are three predominant ones. So the primary one is the {hardware}, which now we have sensors and actuators, then now we have the connectivity. It may very well be LAN.

It may very well be WAN native wire community, wi-fi space community. And now we have the appliance. Once we go to the AI half, AI just isn’t one thing actually new. It’s a broad area of laptop science that goals to create machines or, I’d say, techniques which might be able to performing duties that usually require human, I’d say, intelligence you understand, these duties embody studying, reasoning, drawback fixing, understanding lateral language, perceptions. And the great half is that to any extent further that the adoption of AI, information analytics along side IoT can carry important advantages that we are going to discover throughout the session at the moment.

[00:04:07] Antony Savvas: Okay, thanks very a lot for that nice define out of your aspect Gabriel. That was very useful for the listeners. So going again to how, you understand, whether or not these, techniques are simple to undertake or not. Can extra be carried out to permit their deployment in the event that they’re not that simple to deploy, I ought to say.

[00:04:25] Gabriel Salvate: Properly these days, 80% of the purposes are hosted in cloud. So the primary problem from an IoT gadget is how this information will be shared or how they’ll fill it, the, the cloud system. So mainly firms, the tech firms equivalent to AWS, Microsoft and others. They’ve a form of host that may get this information and every of their techniques there are some once more, there’s the cloud ecosystem and a part of this ecosystem. They’ve the machine studying instruments, they’ve AI instruments and and many others. That can be utilized to course of this information. And one good instance is the predictive evaluation. So these days everybody has been speaking about that. And I really consider that is worth added and one thing simple that may be carried out utilizing or combining these two options.

[00:05:21] Antony Savvas: Yeah. Simply confirming IoT mixed with AI can predict gear failures, lowering operational prices and downtime, for instance, and enhancing service reliability typically. What’s the present take up of such options and which trade verticals, as an illustration, are utilizing them essentially the most? Is take up presently low general?

[00:05:42] Gabriel Salvate: Properly we do see an enormous variety of folks engaged on these verticals, evaluating the right way to mix each options. After all, there are some industries on the forefront of adopting this. Some good examples are, I’ll say the primary one, it’s on the manufacturing aspect. Then now we have fleet administration, telematics, good cities and there’s a good instance that I simply noticed not too long ago to emphasise what I’m saying.

So once we are speaking about good cities. AI now can analyse visitors patterns in actual time and regulate visitors alerts timing to optimise the visitors move. And naturally, on this visitors alerts, there are some IoT gadgets getting the info and sharing the info within the cloud. So there are a whole lot of good issues occurring.

However once more, these are the three and we can also add well being care as one other good one.

[00:06:43] Antony Savvas: So… healthcare, how important is that? Is that an necessary space for BICS?

[00:06:48] Gabriel Salvate: Sure, we’re mainly every part that’s in motion as we’re a, a house and supplier and individuals are at all times in motion, I’d say it’s a goal for us. However greater than that, we, we care about folks and the way this information can be transferring from an individual to assistant and ensuring that these folks can be protected.

[00:07:12] Antony Savvas: Sure. Okay, so we’ve coated some main factors there, Gabriel. What’s the BICS story in all this relating to, for instance, let’s begin with AI. The place is the corporate with AI? Has it made a whole lot of progress with that?

[00:07:26] Gabriel Salvate: That’s an fascinating query as a result of each time that we’re growing a brand new product at BICS, we attempt to perceive the problematic. And once we have been discussing the right way to implement AI in our options, the right way to method, the right way to work with these firms, the primary query we had on the desk was, how can I get my gadget and connectivity information into my software that’s hosted within the cloud. After which we determined to supply or to create an answer that mainly is a one click on answer to ship the connectivity and IoT gadget information into the general public cloud in a scalable manner. That’s that’s necessary to emphasise. However greater than that in a safe approach to resolve a whole lot of complexities of doing protocol conversions or delivering that information into the general public cloud.

So, mainly, we have been wanting on the right way to unlock alternatives. So mainly now you may have, for instance, a 360 gadget administration view. You are able to do sooner troubleshooting. You possibly can have an finish to finish safety view. So a few of these advantages are extraordinarily necessary, however… Going into your query by way of use circumstances particularly on the IoT aspect.

We all know that the battery life cycle is among the predominant nightmares for builders and and many others. And utilizing any such answer, we are able to, for instance, predict the battery life for low energy extensive space gadgets, or we are able to determine when the gadget firmware ought to be up to date and issues like that.

In order that’s once more, a pleasant merge of the options and utilizing our answer connectivity twin, we are able to enable prospects to do any such stuff.

[00:09:27] Antony Savvas: That’s, that’s that seems like there’s some good progress being made there on the firm. In order that’s good to listen to. As a result of clearly everybody’s obtained an AI story. And the very last thing we need to hear is what I’d name as AI washing. Similar to greenwashing in relation to the surroundings. It seems such as you’re making some actual progress there, Gabriel.

[00:09:44] Gabriel Salvate: That’s right. So once more, the primary goal is to create, in the environment, as I mentioned, now we have the {hardware}, now we have the connectivity, now we have the appliance. And typically builders, they need to handle completely different purposes from completely different distributors. So, and this brings a whole lot of complexity and that mentioned. So the concept right here is, in fact, we’re promoting for builders as a result of BICS is a, it’s a B2B firm and a part of our goal is to enhance I’ll say buyer journey, proper? And the shopper journey on the developer aspect, and if they’ll purchase time, if they’ll optimize their answer, if they’ll predict one thing utilizing our merchandise.

That is what we’re in search of.

[00:10:28] Antony Savvas: And one other space, I think about that, you understand, 5G has a significant position in all this, placing all of the necessary items collectively and supporting them.

[00:10:37] Gabriel Salvate: Sure. Sure. 5G is, I imply one of many predominant benefits to have IoT gadgets operating on 5G it’s not solely concerning the downloads, the add charges, and, and many others. So right here we’re speaking about latency. However the 5G will enable gadgets to course of excessive or enormous quantity of knowledge and on the opposite aspect you need to have or you have to have techniques that may predict actual time choices, proper? 

[00:11:08] Antony Savvas: Yeah. So by way of actual time resolution making that’s crucial in these eventualities. What kind of progress as an organization have you ever carried out in actual time resolution making to really assist the companions and the top prospects there?

[00:11:23] Gabriel Salvate: Principally one of many, I’d say the, pillars of the AI is to optimize the choice making course of. After all, when you find yourself growing a product, you might want to give attention to how optimize operational prices, decrease downtimes and, and many others. Now with 5G, and BICS has been investing lots on 5G standalone, in order that’s one thing necessary to focus on. We do see an enormous variety of IoT gadgets utilizing any such know-how, as a result of then you may transact an enormous quantity of knowledge, after which, act and react as fast as attainable. It’s extraordinarily necessary. In order that’s one other good instance of what IoT and AI can do collectively.

[00:12:06] Antony Savvas: Yeah, and general, I imply, we talked about scalability on the finish. Folks, you understand, listening to this might be considering, nicely, if, if I’m going into this area and I need to take a look at issues, how do I really, scale it as much as make it commercially advantageous to my firm? How can BICS, you understand, assist these organizations with their scaling up of this know-how?

I think about you’ve obtained the assist networks, the inner experience to assist them do this.

[00:12:32] Gabriel Salvate: Sure, that’s right. What BICS does and it’s necessary to emphasise. At BICS now we have two huge teams. We now have the Telco group, which we’re engaged on the 5G standalone promoting these options for MNOs. On the, on the enterprise aspect, BICS is connectivity supplier. So we’re a part of the ecosystem.

So, by way of enabling prospects to have the most effective connectivity by way of efficiency and and many others. However now we’re going one step past, so we’re working with the cloud suppliers to supply the answer by means of the connectivity twin. So right here once more, we are able to discuss stability, scalability on two completely different eventualities.

We are able to search for the connectivity perspective. So BICS owns the whole infrastructure and on the cloud aspect, which gamers have been utilizing firms equivalent to AWS and Microsoft or others, we’re a part of it. In order that’s the 2 methods we are able to work. Ensuring the builders or the corporate may have the most effective answer for, for it.

[00:13:40] Antony Savvas: That’s nice. In order that was an excellent introduction to the podcast with our first matter there. We’re now going to maneuver on to the primary matter. So thanks for that first half, Gabriel. We’re going to be speaking about connectivity twins. Now, simply to form of set the scene right here for the viewers, talking of digital twins basically, a digital twin is mainly software program illustration from sensors.

With digital twins, the concept is {that a} digital twin of an present product, for instance, is maintained with continuously collected manufacturing and enterprise information. That’s the overall idea of digital twins. What we’re speaking about right here at the moment Gabriel, isn’t it? Is the connectivity twin. And we had the topic of how can I get my gadget and connectivity information into my software that’s hosted within the cloud?

So when you might simply clarify to the viewers, Gabriel, what are we speaking about once we discuss a connectivity twin?

[00:14:35] Gabriel Salvate: Good. Okay. So let’s suppose in three huge blocks. We now have the digital twin software, proper? Then now we have the connectivity which buyer can use BICS connectivity. After which the concept is: how can I carry connectivity information within the cloud, simplifying the complexity of it? In order that’s the that’s the primary half.

So mainly connectivity twins, it’s a digital illustration of gadget connectivity properties, proper? So on the connectivity, there are a number of gadgets that may be analysed and this let’s say this. Infos can be obtainable for customers in a bidirectional manner to allow them to learn, they’ll test, they’ll act, and and many others.

So briefly, you may carry connectivity information straight to the digital twin platform. In order that’s the very first thing. The second you may translate, them into an comprehensible language for our buyer, as a result of once we are speaking once more, utilizing the battery life cycle administration. So, right here now we have gadgets equivalent to DRX, PSM operator hat, and et cetera.

So we’re speaking about advanced, gadgets that may be simply introduced in a dashboard for patrons. And the third one is to supply precisely a wise connectivity dashboard. So briefly they are going to have the connectivity information within the cloud. The information it’s going to be translated in easy phrases by means of dashboards, that’s I’d say the idea of the product. The nice half is that may run in AWS and Microsoft, which represents, I’d say, 90 p.c of the purposes.

[00:16:34] Antony Savvas: That’s proper. So what different advantages for the customers are there from this manner of working supplied by BICS and its companions? What different issues come to thoughts? I think about you’re considering of, what are the listeners asking right here? What are the issues they’ll be screaming for?

So far as you’re involved. Is BICS addressing the problems our viewers are most likely fascinated about there by way of what their wants are with this connectivity answer?

[00:16:59] Gabriel Salvate: Properly, there are a number of gadgets that may be coated. I’d say the primary one is you can choose mechanically community with higher protection, proper? So one of many issues we offer, it’s a multi-IMSI and utilizing this answer, you may select the most effective one.

The second, we all know, is that prospects are extraordinarily involved about fraud. Safety is among the matters, so mainly right here you may block connectivity in case of suspected fraud. The third one I’ve highlighted earlier than is you may have the flexibility to determine when the gadget ought to be up to date when the firmware ought to be upgraded, for instance and we’re speaking about low energy extensive gadgets like slim band IoT, LTE-M, cat-m you may predict the battery life. In order that’s these 4 gadgets are extraordinarily necessary within the IoT situation. And to finalise greater than that, you may haven’t solely the connectivity information however you too can have the gadget information operating within the single or in the identical platform, the one pane of glass. That’s one other fascinating factor about this product. 

[00:18:17] Antony Savvas: So simply, simply so I’ve obtained this proper. So utilizing this answer BICS prospects can handle all their IoT gadgets to achieve management to enhance the general high quality of service and information safety for his or her prospects. Is that, that is what we’re doing right here. Yeah.

[00:18:33] Gabriel Salvate: That’s right. It’s completely right.

[00:18:35] Antony Savvas: Okay. That’s nice to know. And is it proper that you just get the entire image by managing your connectivity and gadgets from a single platform, successfully, is that right?

[00:18:46] Gabriel Salvate: That’s right. Then, as a result of briefly, we are able to I’ll say unlock new alternatives for patrons as a result of now they’ve a DMP, a tool administration platform operating in a single aspect. They’ve the connectivity administration platform operating in one other aspect. So that they do the interactions or the integrations by way of APIs.

However to any extent further, they are going to have the flexibility to have each gadgets working collectively, after which it will assist them to have the 360 gadget administration view. So that you don’t must spend time on product integrations and that’s it. As I mentioned, it’s going to be a one single click on integration. That’s it.

 Principally we’re serving to them to purchase in time.

[00:19:24] Antony Savvas: Yeah. So simply, I’ve obtained this proper as nicely. So successfully, BICS prospects combine their digital twin with all of the connectivity metadata of their SIMs or eSIMs to unlock new insights sooner. Is that this all linked to what you’re speaking about right here?

[00:19:39] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, yeah, that’s right.

[00:19:41] Antony Savvas: Okay, proper. So, Gabriel there are points round you understand, digital twins and associated to the connectivity twin, the info that’s been generated, it’s going up and up and up, identical to is all over the place.

It impacts the IoT trade. I’ve been at conferences earlier than. Some folks have defined that the sensors that exist are going to should be developed to really sustain with the processing energy which is producing all this information. The chipsets are getting sooner. The sensors are going to should get sooner.

The quantity of knowledge being generated by firms is getting larger. So the techniques should get extra highly effective. As an IoT trade, which clearly BICS is a key participant in. How do you suppose as an ecosystem the IoT trade with BICS can really deal with these issues with its cloud companions concerning the speeds of the info and the quantity of knowledge?

What comes into your thoughts by way of how we are able to transfer ahead as an trade, Gabriel?

[00:20:42] Gabriel Salvate: That’s a superb level. Antony. Right here we, we see the applied sciences getting extra mature. So on the connectivity aspect, now we have 5G. Now now we have 5 5G SA. The amount of knowledge that in a sure manner must be transacted are growing closely. There are some methodologies which we are able to deal with this information.

Okay, so on the {hardware} aspect now we have the sting computing half. So you may course of the info close to to the sensor. So you may get the info, you may interpret what’s necessary or not. Disregard what just isn’t and ship to the subsequent layer what’s necessary. On the connectivity aspect because the networks are getting extra highly effective so we are able to be sure that the latency it’s not going to be affected, that the obtain and add charges can be okay and as quickly as the info arrives Into the cloud system then there’s an ecosystem prepared to organize that.

So simply to do an instance on the AWS and Microsoft, they’ve the IoT core or the IoT hub. So these two techniques, they act like a concierge. They may get the info and they’ll distribute internally primarily based on the shopper software, after which you may apply machine studying, you may apply synthetic intelligence, you may retailer information, you may merely present the info and disrespect the remainder. So there are some methods to implement this, but it surely’s an necessary reality, and BICS has been investing closely within the community aspect, to verify we are able to provide the most effective answer for our prospects.

[00:22:30] Antony Savvas: And there’s an extension that very briefly, clearly, I imply, information safety and IoT, it’s an entire new podcast by itself, however briefly once we discuss how the info safety wants are evolving and the way the trade can really take a look at information safety. How do you see the trade dealing with that within the medium to long run state of affairs?

[00:22:51] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, safety if it’s not the primary one is the second matter most mentioned in, in the environment. So once more, there are a number of components the place the safety layers are relevant. Okay, so on the connectivity aspect, there’s a answer referred to as IoT SAFE, which is a typical outlined by the GSMA.

So it’s a root of belief answer that may be put in straight within the SIM card with a view to be sure that nobody may have entry to the SIM card itself, proper? There are different ones which you are able to do the identical on the {hardware} aspect, so you may, for instance, apply digital non-public networks or non-public APNs with a view to be certain that.

So once more, there are a number of methodologies on the right way to deal with this. However in that that’s one of the necessary matters in the mean time.

[00:23:52] Antony Savvas: Yeah, and thanks for these key pointers, Gabriel, perhaps we’ll discuss that as a separate podcast within the sooner or later. So, clearly we’ve been fairly detailed about a number of the the overall points, speaking concerning the trade typically, and, and going, going into what, you understand BICS is doing, the way it’s transferring ahead.

It’s necessary to verify we don’t miss something right here. So would you wish to have some other details about, you understand, the BICS providing? Among the key factors which, due to my fault, I haven’t really delivered to the floor right here. So is there the rest you’d wish to say what BICS particularly is doing with this connectivity twin technique and providing?

[00:24:27] Gabriel Salvate: Sure, I wish to say that BICS is transferring from connectivity. We use it to be a connectivity supplier and now we’re an answer supplier, proper? So now we have, in fact, now we have our core community, so we’re a worldwide MVNO, MVNE. So now we have non-public IPX options. We now have regional platforms, now we have NEFB core know-how and and many others.

However once more on this surroundings, it’s at all times necessary to know what is going on and see how one can adapt your self. So we launched not too long ago two new layers. One is the worth added providers, which now we have eSIM for shoppers and eSIMs for IoT options. We now have connectivity twin, now we have good information, which is I’d say the distinctive and international actual time information analytics platform. We now have options for resellers, now we have the IoT SAFE after which now we have the skilled providers.

So mainly now prospects can have, the assist throughout the improvement section from an professional staff that may assist them throughout the whole course of. In order that’s what we’re doing now. After all, connectivity twin is among the most fascinating tasks that we’re engaged on.

And once more, it’s necessary to emphasise that it’s not solely about connectivity, but it surely’s about how we assist prospects on the ecosystem itself.

[00:25:55] Antony Savvas: Okay, nicely thanks for that nice dialogue. I’m certain there are lots of necessary and fascinating items of knowledge for the listeners to digest there. We’ll end at the moment with some extra gentle hearted trade developments. Gabriel one thing has caught your eye and earlier than you, will discuss it, I’ll simply inform the readers the place we learn this.

 In it was reported in IoT tech information and different locations to be sincere about Amazon’s plans about increasing their prime edge roaming bundle supply system to worldwide places. Beginning subsequent yr, prospects within the UK, Italy. And a 3rd undisclosed metropolis within the U. S. may have the choice to obtain their packages by way of drones.

And we talked about drones in the beginning of our dialog, that a number of the listeners could bear in mind. The present Prime Air service is already operational within the U. S., and it has been for a yr, and it’s been delivering packages weighing as much as 5 kilos with one hour. That’s fairly a key service promise.

Prime Air’s enlargement will embody the introduction of the MK 30 drone, which can be a quieter, smaller, and lighter mannequin in comparison with its predecessors. And so it seems like there’s some thrilling information after maybe speaking about this over, um, the previous few years. Gabriel, how do you really see this Business alternative growing and might you see any difficulties, for instance…

[00:27:22] Gabriel Salvate: Sure. That’s one of many explanation why I like know-how. So we are able to see these issues occurring. And naturally, enhancing our lives ultimately of the day. That’s what’s necessary. It’s a pleasant instance on how IoT, robotics and synthetic intelligence can work collectively. So you may have a drone that’s managed by somebody, and mainly, you may ship packages remotely. So look, you may have a drone with an enormous quantity of sensors linked in a 5G community, taking choices in actual time, sending maybe SMS or message to the top prospects informing that the bundle can be delivered then you might want to be sure that nobody will entry the drone and alter the route.

So safety is, one of many necessary matters. Then you might want to be sure that your air visitors system can be obtainable to have these drones working you understand, that there are a whole lot of elements working on the identical sort of undertaking. So this may very well be thought-about IoT, robotics, AI, but in addition a part of the good metropolis undertaking.

It’s one thing that may assist to enhance our lives, that’s what I like and I really consider that is one thing extraordinarily disruptive and greater than that, we can’t overlook that these drones even have a GPS or satellite tv for pc connections. So that you see a 5G satellite tv for pc on the connectivity aspect, you see cloud, synthetic intelligence, machine studying, taking real-time choices, saving the info, informing the shopper. Then you may have one other communication platform to avoid wasting the info, so there’s a bunch of purposes operating into the identical ecosystem. It’s actually actually fascinating. And I really consider that is the long run.

And greater than this, it’s occurring and it’s occurring now.

[00:29:24] Antony Savvas: That’s it. It’s what we name vanguard know-how, however then what some folks additionally describe as bleeding edge know-how, and I think about which may be a BICS could need to get extra concerned when perhaps it’s not bleeding a lot. Is that right?

[00:29:37] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, we are attempting to organize ourselves for that. That’s the purpose.

[00:29:44] Antony Savvas: Okay. So I’ll simply inform the listeners now, I imply that’s the top of podcast that making the factors. However there’s a, there’s a little bit of housekeeping right here. I’ve obtained to say the very fact there’ll a transcript of necessary dialogue right here, the entire podcast and seem on the printed podcast on our web site, and it’ll affirm any hyperlinks that we’ve been speaking about as nicely. I’d additionally um, like to offer the listeners the chance to have the ability to contact you in the event that they needed to Gabriel. So, what can be one of the simplest ways of them, you understand, monitoring you down on the web? What, is there any social media platform you’d like to say that they’ll contact you?

[00:30:20] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, I can share my LinkedIn sure. Yeah. I can put right here within the, the chat. https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabriel-salvate-97200429/ 

[00:30:26] Antony Savvas: So perhaps we might put these within the transcript. So when you might provide these we are able to put them within the transcript after which they may simply contact you. Is that truthful sufficient?

[00:30:35] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah. After all.

[00:30:36] Antony Savvas: Okay. Proper. And so after that very detailed dialogue, it simply stays for me to say thanks very a lot to the listeners for tuning in.

After which, while you see this podcast printed, when you might use the social media buttons on the printed podcast to tell us what you considered it. And that simply stays for me to say that’s goodbye from me, Antony Savvas. And Gabriel, it’s goodbye from you, sure?

[00:31:01] Gabriel Salvate: Sure. It was a pleasure to speak with you. Wanting ahead for the subsequent alternative. Thanks very a lot.

[00:31:06] Antony Savvas: Completely. Thanks very a lot. Bye bye all. Bye bye now.

[00:31:09] Gabriel Salvate: Bye bye.​